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thank you. >> that's right. >> a deal on the fiscal cliff may be at hand, but there's still a lot to do, and not a lot of time to do it. delaware democratic senator chris kuhns. thank you for taking the time. i want to talk about something first that your colleague tom hashi harken said on the senate floor. let's come back and talk about it. >> it looks like all of the taxes will be made permanent, but all of the other things that the middle class and america really depends on. one year or two years at the most, but the tax system is made permanent. well, i just think that's grossly unfair. grossly unfair. as i have said before, no deal is better than a bad deal, and this looks like a very bad deal the way this is shaping up. >> so, senator kuhns, is $400,000 on individuals a bad deal as tom harken described, it or is some deal better than no deal at this point? >> well, first, let's just talk about our broader values and the context we're operating in. given the real financial strains on our federal budget, given divided government where the house is controlled by republicans, the s
thank you. >> that's right. >> a deal on the fiscal cliff may be at hand, but there's still a lot to do, and not a lot of time to do it. delaware democratic senator chris kuhns. thank you for taking the time. i want to talk about something first that your colleague tom hashi harken said on the senate floor. let's come back and talk about it. >> it looks like all of the taxes will be made permanent, but all of the other things that the middle class and america really depends...
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your theory are it's key to how the fiscal cliff plays out. explain. >> there's a significant difference of opinion in the political ramification of what happens if we go over and it comes down debt ceiling. if we go over the fiscal cliff they have all of the leverage because we'll go into the debt ceiling and it will be just like 2011 again. they'll say we're not going to raise the debt ceiling unless you cut entitlements, barack obama will say no and terrified of consequences of national default he'll say yes. so they'll get all of the entitlement cuts with no tax increases on the table. democrats disagree. they will not, under any circumstance, no matter what republicans do, negotiate over the debt ceiling again. they'll break the habit now. if we go to the debt ceiling they'll say we're not talking about this, if you want to have a deal on entitlements, that will have to be matched one to one with tax increases, again, with tax reform. if they do that say democrats get $600 billion in tax increases off of the deal we'll have in the next co
your theory are it's key to how the fiscal cliff plays out. explain. >> there's a significant difference of opinion in the political ramification of what happens if we go over and it comes down debt ceiling. if we go over the fiscal cliff they have all of the leverage because we'll go into the debt ceiling and it will be just like 2011 again. they'll say we're not going to raise the debt ceiling unless you cut entitlements, barack obama will say no and terrified of consequences of...
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over the fiscal cliff, the rangeling in washington has already caused a hit on the economy. can you explain sort of what the impact of the debate has been. >> you dw definitely seen it. ju as early as friday when we report that the president was not making his new offer with offers down at the white house. we saw the stock market sell off rather dramatically just in those couple of minutes as that news was coming out. i got to say that over the past 24 hours or so the stock market has been relatively calm sort of expecting a deal, expecting that lawmakers will somehow come to a consensus here. in terms of long-term planning, this is difficult for businesses who don't know what the tax situation is going to be for the next year. it's that uncertainty. so many businesses have such difficulty, and a lot of folks do say that there are a lot of hires that would have been made in the economy right now. new jobs created. new people added to existing companies that haven't happened as a result of this hangover over the economy, which is coming from the fiscal cliff. >> all right. am
over the fiscal cliff, the rangeling in washington has already caused a hit on the economy. can you explain sort of what the impact of the debate has been. >> you dw definitely seen it. ju as early as friday when we report that the president was not making his new offer with offers down at the white house. we saw the stock market sell off rather dramatically just in those couple of minutes as that news was coming out. i got to say that over the past 24 hours or so the stock market has...
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thank you. >> have a good new year. >>> the possible fiscal cliff isn't the only thing happening at the stroke of midnight. more than 400 new laws take effect. some have a major impact including in new hampshire partial birth abortions will be banned. same sex couples will be able to marry in maryland. also registered sex offenders in illinois will no longer be able to dress up like santa or the easter bunny and will not be allowed to hand out candy on halloween. then there are some laws that just make you kind of go, hum. it will now be illegal for employers to require or request social media passwords in several states including maryland, new jersey, and delaware. motorcyclists in illinois can now run a red light if that light fails to change. in florida, your swamp buggy will no longer be considered a motor vehicle. >>> it is about 50/50 right now. i obviously would like to see a deal that would avoid the cliff but it depends on the content of the deal. >> it's a shame and disgrace that we are where we are. the american people are fed up first of all with this process. secondly, with
thank you. >> have a good new year. >>> the possible fiscal cliff isn't the only thing happening at the stroke of midnight. more than 400 new laws take effect. some have a major impact including in new hampshire partial birth abortions will be banned. same sex couples will be able to marry in maryland. also registered sex offenders in illinois will no longer be able to dress up like santa or the easter bunny and will not be allowed to hand out candy on halloween. then there are...
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will go over the fiscal cliff. what's your reaction to that? have you heard that -- >> we can confirm that. >> i love john harwood, but luke and i have been reporting the same thing, jonathan, so there. >> okay. so we're going over the cliff? >> apparently. that's the bad news. the good news is, the parameters of a deal are definitely there. as you described, jonathan, the sticking point remains this so-called trigger, the sequester. remember, they agreed upon it last summer in july and august of 2011 when they came to that big debt ceiling deal. if there were no decision on how to cut government spending by now, these draconian cuts, indiscriminate across the board to defense half of it, $500 billion in domestic programs, the other half of it, the other $500 billion would go into effect. and now some want to have that delayed. they want to have it put off. the house of representatives, the leadership there is saying absolutely no way. there are ironies that abound all along here in these negotiations, and a lot of what you see on the surface,
will go over the fiscal cliff. what's your reaction to that? have you heard that -- >> we can confirm that. >> i love john harwood, but luke and i have been reporting the same thing, jonathan, so there. >> okay. so we're going over the cliff? >> apparently. that's the bad news. the good news is, the parameters of a deal are definitely there. as you described, jonathan, the sticking point remains this so-called trigger, the sequester. remember, they agreed upon it last...
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. >> bob bazell, thank you so much. when we return, back to the fiscal cliff. were there any winners and losers in this months' long battle and where do we go from here? you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. at that. here? >>> welcome back. we are here with continuing coverage of last-minute negotiations aimed at avoiding going over the fiscal cliff. earlier today we heard from president obama who expressed frustration that congress has yet to come to an agreement. >> i have to say that ever since i took office, throughout the campaign, and over the last couple of months, my preference would have been to solve all these problems in the context of a larger agreement, a bigger deal, a grand bargain, whatever you want to call it that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way, but with this congress this was obviously a little too much to hope for at this time. it may be we can do it in stages. we're going to solve this problem, instead, in several steps. one thing we can count on with respect to this congress is that if there's even on
. >> bob bazell, thank you so much. when we return, back to the fiscal cliff. were there any winners and losers in this months' long battle and where do we go from here? you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. at that. here? >>> welcome back. we are here with continuing coverage of last-minute negotiations aimed at avoiding going over the fiscal cliff. earlier today we heard from president obama who expressed frustration that congress has yet to come to an agreement....
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is about spend urge money as we await the outcome of the fiscal cliff negotiations. on the positive side you won be seeing $8 a gallon for milk because congress gave a one year extension for the farm bill. those who love your 75 watt light bulbs stock up while supplies last. new federal laws prohibit them to be import order produced in 2013. the tribune company announced it's emerging from bankruptcy with new ownership and new board of directors and forbes has compiled a list of new york's resolution that successful people make and actually keep. among them plan vacations now. wake up to the essentials first, check e-mail second. support a cause. find your purpose and go for it. go for it. new year's day marks the 150th anniversary of emancipation proclamation. the document is once again on display. ron mott has details. >> reporter: showing its age the emancipation proclamation still draws attention. >> it's amazing to see abraham lincoln's signature. >> reporter: today the frail order consigned to history on january 1st, 1863 by abraham lincoln is again on public d
is about spend urge money as we await the outcome of the fiscal cliff negotiations. on the positive side you won be seeing $8 a gallon for milk because congress gave a one year extension for the farm bill. those who love your 75 watt light bulbs stock up while supplies last. new federal laws prohibit them to be import order produced in 2013. the tribune company announced it's emerging from bankruptcy with new ownership and new board of directors and forbes has compiled a list of new york's...
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." >> great to be here, thank you. >> the obvious question -- are we going over the fiscal cliff? >> well, i think we're going to find out in the next 48 hours what congress decides to do. but i think it's important for the american people to understand exactly what this fiscal cliff is. because it's actually not that complicated. the tax cuts that were introduced in 2001, 2003, 2010, those were extended and they're all about to expire at the end of the year. so on midnight, december 31st, if congress doesn't act, then everybody's taxes go up. and for the average family, that could mean a loss of $2,000 in income. for the entire economy, that means consumers have a lot less money to make purchases, which means businesses are going to have a lot less customers, which means that they're less likely to hire and the whole economy could slow down at a time when the economy is starting to pick up and we're seeing signs of recovery in housing and employment numbers improving. so what congress needs to do first and foremost, is to prevent taxes from going up for the vast majority of ameri
." >> great to be here, thank you. >> the obvious question -- are we going over the fiscal cliff? >> well, i think we're going to find out in the next 48 hours what congress decides to do. but i think it's important for the american people to understand exactly what this fiscal cliff is. because it's actually not that complicated. the tax cuts that were introduced in 2001, 2003, 2010, those were extended and they're all about to expire at the end of the year. so on...
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." >> great to be here, thank you. >> the obvious question -- are we going over the fiscal cliff? >> well, i think we're going to find out in the next 48 hours what congress decides to do. but i think it's important for the american people to understand exactly what this fiscal cliff is. because it's actually not that complicated. the tax cuts that were introduced in 2001, 2003, 2010, those were extended and they're all about to expire at the end of the year. so on midnight, december 31st, if congress doesn't act, then everybody's taxes go up. and for the average family, that could mean a loss of $2,000 in income. for the entire economy, that means consumers have a lot less money to make purchases, which means businesses are going to have a lot less customers, which means that they're less likely to hire and the whole economy could slow down at a time when the economy is starting to pick up and we're seeing signs of recovery in housing and employment numbers improving. so what congress needs to do first and foremost, is to prevent taxes from going up for the vast majority of ameri
." >> great to be here, thank you. >> the obvious question -- are we going over the fiscal cliff? >> well, i think we're going to find out in the next 48 hours what congress decides to do. but i think it's important for the american people to understand exactly what this fiscal cliff is. because it's actually not that complicated. the tax cuts that were introduced in 2001, 2003, 2010, those were extended and they're all about to expire at the end of the year. so on...
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thank you. >> the obvious question, are we going to go over the fiscal cliff? >> well, i think we'll find out in the next 48 hours what congress will decide to do. but i think it's important for the american people to understand exactly what this fiscal cliff is, because it's actually not that complicated. the tax cuts that were introduced in 2001, 2003, 2010, those were extended, and they are all about to expire at the end of the year. so on midnight, december 31st, if congress doesn't act, then everybody's taxes go up. and for the average family, that could mean a loss of $2,000 in income. for the entire economy, that means consumers have a lot less money to make purchases, which means businesses are going to have a lot less customers, which means that they are less likely to hire, and the whole economy could slow down at a time when the economy is actually starting to pick up. we are seeing signs of recovery in housing and in employment numbers improving. and so what congress needs to do, first and foremost, is to prevent taxes from going up for the vast maj
thank you. >> the obvious question, are we going to go over the fiscal cliff? >> well, i think we'll find out in the next 48 hours what congress will decide to do. but i think it's important for the american people to understand exactly what this fiscal cliff is, because it's actually not that complicated. the tax cuts that were introduced in 2001, 2003, 2010, those were extended, and they are all about to expire at the end of the year. so on midnight, december 31st, if congress...
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despite the fiscal cliff deadline looming just hours from now, the markets are opening significantly higher. i don't know, little bit of a surprise. this comes as both the dow and s&p 500 each lost 1.9% last week after stocks fell for five straight sessions. it's the s&p's longest losing streak in three months. next, what can president obama learn from abraham lincoln? >> one of the things that you learn having now been in this office for four years is, you know, the old adage of abraham lincoln's, that with public opinion there's nothing you can't do, and without public opinion, there's very little you can get done in this town. atchee worked for us. we don't argue much. we really don't. meg usually just gets her way, and i go along with it. i think it worked for matt because i did it for him. when i'm the one cooking, i'm the one calculating the points. i can microwave things. you get to eat real food. we still get to go out. we're just so much smarter about it. we can keep each other in check. going, "okay, i see you." we've lost about 110 pounds together. it helped our love life.
despite the fiscal cliff deadline looming just hours from now, the markets are opening significantly higher. i don't know, little bit of a surprise. this comes as both the dow and s&p 500 each lost 1.9% last week after stocks fell for five straight sessions. it's the s&p's longest losing streak in three months. next, what can president obama learn from abraham lincoln? >> one of the things that you learn having now been in this office for four years is, you know, the old adage of...
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we're here today because there's no deal and we are hours away from the fiscal cliff. here with us now, republican senator from tennessee and member of the senate banking committee, senator bob corker. senator, thanks for being on the show. we appreciate it. >> good morning. >> robert gibbs was characterizing many republicans as 5-year-olds that will not eat their vegetables, and every time we try and get them to eat their vegetabl vegetables, they ask for a smaller and a smaller and a smaller pea and it gets down to one pea on a plate. is that fair? >> look, this whole thing's a national embarrassment. i think it's an embarrassment to the president, it's an embarrassment to both sides of the aisle and to both the house and the senate. >> how do we get out of it? >> well, first of all, i mean, whatever happens today is really inconsequential. it really doesn't matter. it's going to happen. we will have a solution, but as jeffrey was saying earlier, we still haven't moved any closer to solving our nation's problems. and so, now what will happen is this will be put off,
we're here today because there's no deal and we are hours away from the fiscal cliff. here with us now, republican senator from tennessee and member of the senate banking committee, senator bob corker. senator, thanks for being on the show. we appreciate it. >> good morning. >> robert gibbs was characterizing many republicans as 5-year-olds that will not eat their vegetables, and every time we try and get them to eat their vegetabl vegetables, they ask for a smaller and a smaller...
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. >>> the senate is scheduled to get back to work and avoid the fiscal cliff 45 minutes from now. president obama will be watching with the rest of country for a deal to be hammered out. he thinks republican leaders need to bend. >> congress has not been able to get this stuff done not because democrats in congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate but because i think it's been very hard for speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact that taxes on the wealthiest americans should go up a little bit and as part of an overall deficit reduction package. >> i'm joined by congresswoman barbara lee a democrat from california. good to see you. good morning. >> good to see you. glad to be with you. >> let me give you the republican perspective. it is that some indications they are willing to give on taxes whether 400 or 450,000, that yesterday they floated this idea of changing social security. they've backed off on that. they apparently are willing to give on some of these estate taxes. the democrats are willing to give on some of the estate taxes. but what the
. >>> the senate is scheduled to get back to work and avoid the fiscal cliff 45 minutes from now. president obama will be watching with the rest of country for a deal to be hammered out. he thinks republican leaders need to bend. >> congress has not been able to get this stuff done not because democrats in congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate but because i think it's been very hard for speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact that taxes on the...